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Once again, my talk page needed some sprucing up.--OvaltinePatrol 23:28, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Currently in the hospital for respiratory issues.--OvaltinePatrol 17:58, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Get well soon :) --Victor Hyde 18:01, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
I hope you get better, OP.---Seqeu0 18:17, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you.--OvaltinePatrol 18:20, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
When I was a little kid, i was in the hospital ALL the time, for a plethora of reasons. I know what it's like.---Seqeu0 18:23, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'll be out of town from 04/18/11 to 04/24/11 to celebrate Passover. Direct any questions or concerns to one of the other admins.--OvaltinePatrol 05:23, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

As the weather has improved, the prospect of various activities beckons. I don't foresee being available on a regular basis; please direct any concerns to another admin.--OvaltinePatrol 05:58, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'll be out of town from later tonight to 07/01 or so. I may have time for TL during the trip, but I wouldn't rely on it.--OvaltinePatrol 17:13, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Assuming there's no problems, I'll be home tomorrow.--OvaltinePatrol 22:01, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Picture Requests

I'm currently taking requests for pictures for articles. I only do so for articles that seem to be going somewhere (other than the fast track to deletion) and they must be able to be made in Fallout: New Vegas.--OvaltinePatrol 23:28, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Woo-hoo! First one! I was hoping you could make a picture for Nicholas Straw, the head of the Matewan Mining Company. I'd like him to be wearing a suit, preferably the "Dapper Gambler Suit", and the Desperado Cowboy Hat. --Twentyfists 18:50, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Can I get a little more detail as to what he looks like? Hair color and style, eye color, etc.--OvaltinePatrol 18:54, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
White male, in his thirties. He's got short-cut brown-blond hair, not quite military style, but controlled and smooth. He has blue eyes. He's got a fairly narrow, angled face, but his nose shows evidence of having been broken. His skin is fairly tanned. Is that good? --Twentyfists 19:09, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
That should do it.--OvaltinePatrol 19:28, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

OP, I was hoping you could make a pic for La Dame. I was thinking of a guy wearing a raider blastmaster helmet and a regulator duster, with a Chinese assault rifle on his back. The background would be a room with a big cage (don't know if there are any big rooms with cages in FO3 or FO:NV, but you can always use a prison cell). But really, any dimly-lit room will be just fine.--Seqeu0 20:33, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'll see if I can get to this.--OvaltinePatrol 05:58, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Need Your Advice

Im working on a form of horses called Sleipnirs, they have 8 (working) legs (such as sleipnirs in Norse mythology). The reason im writing this message is for your imput. Does this seem to far out, for fallout? but before you decide please remember that there are bi-pedals lizards,snake-coyote hybrids, 2 headed cows,bi pedal turtles, bi pedal crabs,and mutant goats.---Victor Hyde 17:29, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

That exact article has already been made once before. I'll take a look at it and see if it's worth restoring; if it is I will, if not; I'll post the original text on your talk page. In that event, whatever you write has to be better than the original.--OvaltinePatrol 19:21, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

wait what!! i thought i was being orginal!---Victor Hyde 19:28, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, um, being new and all to this whole thing, I wanted to ask a couple questions of you. First off, I spose letting you know that a lot of my planned pages are from a Fallout pnp campaign I'm running, but I'd like to keep record of on here. So, here goes my questions. Has anyone done anything on Georgia that I've simply missed? I've tried searching every way to sunday anything that would bring to the front Georgia, and all I've gotten is that it's supposed to be part of a commonwealth- a portion of the fallout universe I don't understand yet. And since nothing is directly spoken of such, do you think there's gonna be any complications with me taking it upon myself to do a Georgia project? Thanks--GiMpLiE 05:14, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest checking out The Vault if you need to brush up on canon information. Nothing significant, if anything, has been written about Georgia here. Feel free to flesh it out, but keep in mind that your pnp campaign may not sync up with our accepted canon (you would know better than I) or the wider fanon. If you want an unadulterated record of your campaign you might consider starting your own wiki, I understand it's a common practice.--OvaltinePatrol 16:10, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
Right then; I'm attempting to stay as 'canon' as possible for something that don't exist yet! So, I guess it'll come with time. GiMpLiE 23:03, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
Hey OvaltinePatrol, could you look at my page People's Republic of Waliohinu? I want to know what you think about it now. Vivaporius 20:57, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

The Syndicate

As the title says, I am working on a organisation called the Syndicate. I was wondering if you could take a look at it and give me any critisisms and tips on how i could improve: The Syndicate. Hope to hear from you soon!

Request for Enclave and Vault creation.

Could I have permission (rules say it's required) to create an Enclave bunker and a vault in Fredericksburg, Virginia? Obviously, it's not going to be in the vault. Both are separate factions, possibly allied or one oppressing the other. My main plan was that the Enclave would use the vault as a recruiting source, since both are genetically pure from lack of radiation exposure. I plan to create characters and have small squad based battles occur for control of the town. As far as you know, no one has taken Fredericksburg, have they?Sascha Kreiger Contact 05:13, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

What would the Vault number and experiment be?--OvaltinePatrol 07:36, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
The vault number would be 118, or anything in the 110-140 range if that one is taken. As for the experiment, it could be the testing of various additives to the water supply to repair DNA and reduce aging, which could also fight radiation and make it of interest to the Enclave.--Sascha Kreiger Contact 02:00, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
Unless the experiment failed horribly, that sounds like a potential supersoldier project. Incidentally, I haven't actually given you permission yet, I was going to say no to the Enclave aspect; but was thinking of approving the Vault.--OvaltinePatrol 08:05, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking that it failed in any meaningful results, maybe people lived for an extra 10 years on average, but nothing significant and certainly no other biomedical enhancements. I could also take out the anything involving rad resistance, and that seems to be making it too advanced. There could still be scientists trying to achieve results, but I wouldn't let there be any success with it.
To take out any actual benefit for the Enclave, I plan to not include any radiation immunizing effects of the vault research. To more clearly define it, all that happens is the vault residents live 10-20 years longer (85-100 years) on average, and research to enhance the drugs are unsuccessful, to ensure balance.Sascha Kreiger Contact 15:51, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Why does it have to be Enclave?--OvaltinePatrol 17:37, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I've wanted to write about the Enclave because I like the story behind them, and also combining with the population of a vault would suit their desire to repopulate the wasteland with their "pure" version of Humanity. Also, I plan to watch how much combined force they would have together, so they don't get too powerful, and there's not a large militaristic faction. Even without the rule here, I'd watch that on my own. I've seen plenty of examples on Fallout Nexus of people ruining the game by adding huge personal armies. As a limitation on the Enclave, I was planning on having them exist in a small bunker, and probably not use Virtibirds, Hellfire armor, or heavy weapons, and mostly have them as an assisting faction for the town.--Sascha Kreiger Contact 18:14, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
You know the Enclave is highly inconsistent on the "purity" thing? Every time the Enclave has been presented with Vault Dwellers in the games, they either try to kill them or use them for inhumane research. On the other hand, they've demonstrated a willingness to recruit wastelanders in both Fallout 2 and Broken Steel. In any case, you're not allowed to turn the Vault into an Enclave asset. That's the road to ruin this wiki has traveled before.--OvaltinePatrol 20:28, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
With that in mind, I would rather have an existing settlement in Fredericksburg, and have the Enclave join it, or forget about the Enclave and just have people from the vault populate the town. Out of curiosity, what was it that happened? When I read the rule about Enclave and the Brotherhood of Steel using vaults, I thought it was something that was over used. Sascha Kreiger Contact 21:25, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
In short, (former) members created over-sized "branches" of the canon factions based in Vaults and other fortified (read: indestructable) places and related characters, inspired by media ranging from the almighty Chuck Norris to government issue super soldiers and androids. But that's all history now, after the great warrior Ovaltine and his loyal band of admins purged the Wikia in an act now known as the Reboot. And now, the few members left try to prevent a repeat of this by laying down stricter rules and double-checking everything. If it had been up to me, there would even have been an article-judging committee, but some thought that was too dictatorial. --XterrorX 22:02, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned the Enclave no longer has the means or manpower to do much of anything as a cohesive group with any kind of agenda. Just skip the Enclave and flesh out the vault. The hallmark of the various vault science projects is that they've all failed horribly. Some of the social experiments were successful or at least not disastrous (Vault 15 and Vault 21 come to mind)--OvaltinePatrol 23:02, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, that's what I was recently leaning toward too. I'll possibly change the experiment to some sort of social experiment if that's what's more likely to produce a vault that's still livable. So I'll just focus on the vault and the town.--Sascha Kreiger Contact 23:40, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
RE: Factions in vaults, I can understand why that would be a problem. That's just a mary sue sort of faction that should logically end up taking over the entire region; not a good thing to have.

Back in the saddle

Yeah, I finally got my stuff over at the Althistory wikia in order, so it's much easier to edit two sites now. First up; the United Chapters of The Klan, a Caucasian dystopia created by surviving Ku Klux Klan members (what's more '50s?) on the eastern banks of the Mississippi around the nuked remains of Jackson. I'll probably style the new Klan to somewhat resemble the organization of Caesar's Legion, but less hostile to outsiders and less eager to expand into the "tainted" wastelands. --XterrorX 18:00, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the minor corrections on Aran Wolf, any views or ideas how i can improve the article please share on his talk page.Frank Horrigan 18:24, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

A non-admin can only edit their own blogs. Don't worry about the blog red links at the moment.--OvaltinePatrol 19:02, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Site clean-up

I don't seem to be able to edit other people's blogs to remove the red links. Could you help me a bit and explain it to me?---Seqeu0 19:01, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

US Portal Page Deletion

I am not trying to affiliate ourselves with the Vault. I was trying to compile major locations in the USA. Could you please bring it back? In time, the external links will all be gone and replaced by links to other locations. CrimsonAssassin 23:13, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm saying we are already affiliated with the Vault. As we don't need to repost all the information from the Vault, the salient information would just be links to the state articles, such as they are. I'll restore it for you.--OvaltinePatrol 06:56, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Request to Continue Writing Enclave City.

Since Victor said I needed permission from an Admin, here I am. I'm sure you saw my place Enclave City (boring name.) But anyways, I saw it was deleted. Breaking a rule, I don't see how It was. My guess under large militarized faction? But honestly It wasn't. The main plot of it all was a group of Ex Enclave Bio Troopers started a settlement inside of old factories and storage facilities. And with their knowledge of being trained in the Enclave they were able to restore minor power, and some water to the facilities. (Only about two). And along the road to establish it the Enclave came in and Destroyed all but one Vertibird (that is damaged). And is used as a statue for people who visit and live there can look and get inside. (Not to be used to fly or go and attack.)

So I just wanted to explain it a little more and hope to continue writing it.

Hey there, it actually broke the following rule:
"Branches, detachments, and splinter groups of Canon factions (Brotherhood of Steel, NCR, Enclave, etc.) require administrator approval."
―rules

You can remake it, but they will have had only 1 vertibird to begin with (which still needs to be rendered an inoperable monument as you described). I don't want vertibirds being treated like something that come in six packs or vending machines; they're tightly controlled and the Enclave doesn't just go about getting fleets of them stolen. If you could come up with a better name, that would be swell, but it's not mandatory.--OvaltinePatrol 22:16, March 22, 2011 (UTC)


Alright, thanks. I knew Enclave City was pretty cheesy. And i'll keep it as a monument.

Divergence Template

I remember a little while ago that you asked about templates for stories that diverge from the wider fanon timeline. I'm going to go about making that template. It'll be under Template:Content. As an aside, I would recommend putting some of those templates into use. They could be handy. --Twentyfists 20:04, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Vault 120

Why was it deleted? I got clearance and it doesn't violate any rules. CrimsonAssassin 16:30, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Holy crap and Appalachia. What the hell rule does that one violate too? CrimsonAssassin 16:31, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

You laid claim to several vaults in Appalachia without any kind of permission, then let the article sit there without any kind of work or notice to us for over a month. When a new user doesn't do any edits for more than a few weeks, we usually go with the assumption that they've lost interest. As for the Vault I don't ever recall actually giving you permission, I believe we were still working on the details of the experiment when you went ahead. I was content to let you work on it in the hopes that it would work out, but you made an inconsistent experiment and then the whole leaving without working on it for a month thing came into play.--OvaltinePatrol 16:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I said I'd fix the several vaults and I was waiting for someone to actually read the fucking article and review it. You also did give me permission for the vault. CrimsonAssassin 18:21, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Watch your tone. There's no reason for you to be getting angry with Ovaltine, who's only doing his job. --Twentyfists 18:41, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

There is a reason. In fact, he is NOT doing his job. If deleting articles is his job, he's doing it though. This wiki is dead because of your stupid rules and regulations. I haven't gotten back a reply from Ovaltine because he left the wiki and he knows like everyone else does that this wiki is dead. Don't even worry about banning me, because I will never come back to this pathetic wiki anyway. So fuck you. Bye. CrimsonAssassin 18:23, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

New Template

I just created a template based off of something I was using on my userpage; it's for creating pages in your userspace. It works by placing it anywhere on your main userpage. I think this should come in useful for new users by allowing them to create articles in their own space, where they can be discussed, and also for users who don't write frequently. Another good use for it is it can be used for creating several articles on the same subject in a user's userspace and filling them out well, then moving them to the regular mainspace of the wiki.

The text is {{userspacecreatebox}}, and it looks like this:

My Sandbox

Sascha Kreiger Contact 03:26, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hello.

I am an new to this calm place. If you mind, may you please resurrect the article on "Vault 120" and "The_Stone_Family" into my Userspace please. Thank you. - Another n00b 20:28, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you respond to my message?? Please help. - Another n00b 19:57, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

You want me to dig up someone else's deleted articles and post them on Uncyclopedia? Pass. Ask another admin.--OvaltinePatrol 20:51, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

No, just put it on a userspace HERE. Where did you get the idea of Uncyclopedia?? I just what them on a userspace over here, and then I'll move it to the actual fallout wiki. - Another n00b 15:49, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
I got the idea from the link on your username in your initial post leading to your page on Uncyclopedia. Now that you stated that your intent is to move them to the "actual fallout wiki," by which I assume you mean The Vault, I'm still disinclined to do; there's no need to put fanon material on the canon vault.- OvaltinePatrol 16:03, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think the kid just wants the 2 deleted articles pasted onto his talk page here on TL.--Seqeu0 16:16, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Listen, could I just have them anywhere?? as long as I get a copy, just at the userspace here. Ok?? - Another n00b 16:27, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
I already said I'll pass. Seq, you do it if you like. You should learn how to retrieve deleted stuff anyways.--OvaltinePatrol 17:06, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Apologies

I just wanted to apologize about my member on my wiki for his actions on this wiki. I have already messaged him about the incident here, and I know he will understand. I promise you that nothing like this will ever happen again.


-MerchantofDeath 22:43, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember telling anyone on this wiki that I was planning to hack or delete this wiki ever. The only thing I can recall doing was posting my wiki's link on one of your member's talk pages. As for link postage, that is both understandable and fair. And as for the events, I have only skimmed at some of my member's posts on the Fallout Fanon wikia, but I will check with more detail right now.

-MerchantofDeath 00:11, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

I was referring to Deathclawpoop who did indeed make such a rambling threat just today. Taken from his talk page here:
"TO ANYONE READING THIS----- It's them, they're starting a war they can't finish. Tell them, tell them all to remove this block and i'll cut my losses and leave, if not, they will regret it, you think trying to stop one IP from advertising was hard. How 'bout twelve. This time, they won't be advertising. You have until May 1st to consiter this offer. If the block is still on, the wiki will not be. I am not joking. I will send in the big guns. You screwing with someone who has five years of data stealing and manipulating experience. Wikis are a walk in the park. If you delete this message, it's over. Not for me though. For me it will have just begun. There is no need trying to contact my superiors about this like one of you has already done, for this is my doing not his."
―Deathclawpoop
.

--OvaltinePatrol 00:14, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I just looked at what Deathclaw had put on here about two minutes ago, and I would like to say that Deathy is just a little bit serious when it comes to these type of things. What he said was wrong to the other members of this wiki, and I would like to again apologize for all of this trouble.

-MerchantofDeath 00:19, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate your apology, though I hardly think you're accountable for his actions.--OvaltinePatrol 00:30, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's clearly obvious he's talking bullshit. - Another n00b 20:44, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to send my apologies as well. I'm new to the site and had no intention of spamming the site. Again, I am sorry. -TheStakesAreHigh 21:38 June 7, 2011

Now to go completely off topic

I just want an explanation for this:

"

  • MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL LEGAL RESIDENTS OF THE FALLOUT FANON WIKI: War has been declared on the nation of Tranquility Lane. Please be wary of suspicious packages in the subways, cars parked a little to closely to shops or anyone who looks foreign. TO THE BOMB SHELTERS FELLAS'!

"

I know that people don't need to take themselves seriously all the time, but I know there is a reason for this post. - Another n00b 20:45, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like the creator of this is likely to be stupid. Isn't Tranquillity Lane and The FALLOUT Fanon Wiki the same thing?

PS - Yes, I am back. and I've possibly grown from last time.

- GreenHero55 - Pure Awesomeness 17:52, May 7, 2011 (UTC)


I know, you don't like me, hell, you had me blocked. So just listen, I changed my IP, there is no need to block me, for I will just change it again. Composite 4 is trying to provoke me into damaging the wiki. I'm not going to do it, because Merc told me not to. But, as one sysop to another, you really need to say something to Composite 4. I know you talked about how i'm not leaving a good impression about Fanfic wiki, but I was blocked for three days, without warning by Composite 4, and left harassing messages. What kind of impression did you think I was left. I'm not forcing you to do anything, but it is strongly recommended. Deathy's Puppet 23:52, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

You were given a brief ban for advertising and chose to make a tremendous production out of it and threaten the wiki; resulting in the ban being extended. Everything that has happened since then is solely on account of your intense need to have the last word, which C4 doesn't seem inclined to let you have. My only interest in you and what you've been doing is if you were serious about trying to damage the wiki. Otherwise you're free to rattle off whatever you like on your own talk page. If C4 upsets you, my advice is to just stop talking to him and leave; I'm sure he won't harass you on your own wiki.--OvaltinePatrol 01:15, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Article Deleted

Do you mind telling me why you deleted my only article, (NY Ghosts)?. I was unable to get online for a little while, and I come back to find it deleted, with no other reason than : "Deadline passed by several days." I'm not sure what that even means, and i'd like to know why. Thanks.

--Brodie-001

When an article is left unattended for a certain amount of time, we give it's writer a deadline to finish the article. Your article passed this deadline because you didn't continue your work, so it was deleted. Simple. Your article can always be restored if you now have the time to make any progress.--Seqeu0 18:39, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


I would like it to be restored if possible so I could finish it. I've got a little more time now to work on it. I was nearly done anyway. Thanks.

--Brodie-001

Too Big?

I understand that perhaps my state is too large, what, in your opinion, would be a reasonable size?Faboo 16:10, May 16, 2011 (UTC)Faboo

Part of Cork perhaps, or the stretch of countryside between Bandon and Kinsale; something along those lines.--OvaltinePatrol 03:32, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
Is this better?Faboo 16:38, May 23, 2011 (UTC)Faboo
Not really. You and Vivaporius would get along fabulously I think.--OvaltinePatrol 16:52, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I was not aware. SPARTAN-118 (Talk) (Contributions) 00:54, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Wikis moving away from Wikia

I discussed this with Twenty Fists a while ago, and he asked that I make a request in the forum. Made a forum entry a while ago and let him know, but I realized he hasn't been on recently. My original discussion is also on his talk page under the same section as the one here.

Sascha Kreiger Contact 23:15, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Tagging Fan Fic related pics

Hi, you messaged me earlier about tagging my pictures, and haven't figured out how to do so yet. May I ask for your help?

Sure. Go to the page for your image; such as this one. Go to the bottom of the page and press the Add Category button. Then write Images (it may autocomplete), press enter, then hit save.--OvaltinePatrol 01:22, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, still a little lost. I don't see the Add Category button. Where on the page would it be located? (I'll bet I'm looking at it without knowing it. And does it matter what version of the wikipage I'm using, such as the MonoBook or the New Wiki Page?)

Bottom left; grey box with a green plus sign and the words "Add category," I don't know if the skin matters.--OvaltinePatrol 02:03, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, turns out the skin did matter. I will put me pics in the category now.
Shit, sorry if I'm spamming the site. Just not use to the wiki style editing yet. Well I added the category, and I'm not sure if there was anything else I needed to do, or just leave it alone.

Collaboration

OvaltinePatrol, you have a great history of making good articles. I would like to ask you for your help in making one if you ever had the time for such. Vivaporius 00:36, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. My availability will be limited until next month, but we can start spit-balling. Did you want to remake the Entaiko to be TL acceptable, or did you want a whole new subject?--OvaltinePatrol 02:21, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
I wanted to just create a new subject. A mutant race called the Anyi, desendent of African-American terrorists in the Cascades Mountains. They kids mutanted by the experiments used on their parents by their scienists, and their killed the entire human population in the bunker they were in after being treated like second-class citizens most of their lives. It's obviously a remake of the Entiako, but hopefully will be better than it's predecessor. Vivaporius 14:48, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
What makes them terrorists as opposed to raiders?--OvaltinePatrol 15:51, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sure why not. Just so long as it doesn't involve them being destroyed, vaporized, or driven away from the homeland. I'd much rather have them end up a vassals of the Anyi, or at least recycled for the Anyi article. Vivaporius 16:56, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Because their story takes place before the war. The government drove them into the mountains, and before the U.S. could take them out, the Great War saved them. Vivaporius 16:57, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

It seems like you're painting the Black Panthers as having a role similar to the North vs. South. Composite 4

Please elaborate. Vivaporius 21:05, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm referring to the civil war; as in that the Panthers are some huge military force in the U.S that are a threat to the country. Composite 4

Ovaltine, I must applaud your work, you have exceeded my expections. I think I may be able to salvage the Entiako yet.

The Dhoruba (Anyi), and the land-based cousins of the Entiako, who carved out empire in central Washington state. The Entiako are island based, and have kept themselves separate from the events around them. They enforced their will on the mainland-based tribals through their advanced technology, extracting tribute from them. The Anyi are based out of Chelan County, and have tributary states thar surround them, raiding them for slaves, food, and mabye sacifices. Both have a plethora of pre-war tech, but it is hoarded by the upper class,m who have excessive cybernetic implants, and live in the few concrete buildings, while the lower class live in wooden homes, relying on rations and protection from their masters.

It's a complicated idea, but the point is that there two factions desendent of the same group. Of course you already know that. Vivaporius 22:36, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Character Stats/Specifications

Ovaltine, I'd like to thank you for making my character more balanced. I didn't intend to make a 'God-Character'. And I realized that I have to be more specific with the Stats (Considering my character didn't have any until yesterday). I made sure that his stats are reasonable and possible to achieve in-game. I hope that he isn't 'Over Powered' by your standards. If so, I will happily respecify my character if necessary. TheStakesAreHigh 12:25, June 21, 2011

Do you think his story is consistent with a level 40 character?--OvaltinePatrol 15:34, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Well there is loads of back story I'm still writing, so I'm trying to make it consistent. But by any means, I just hope you don't find him 'Over Powered'.TheStakesAreHigh 11:08am, June 21, 2011
Consider what the PC in F02 or FO:NV has to do to reach level 40. The existence of other high level characters tends to be a conceit to offer the player a challenge. We don't go for epic, setting-changing, PC-like characters here; just something to consider.--OvaltinePatrol 18:20, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
I will, thank you for your input. :) ---TheStakesAreHigh 11:36am, June 21, 2011

Appeal

This is Vivaporius. Have you managed to talk some sense into C4?

Nope. I haven't really been available to chat much lately.--OvaltinePatrol 02:17, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Woops! Sorry Ovaltine, I got busy with life, then I had to drive to California. I'll get right on it! Also, if you ever need any, just ask and I'll get you some. EliteMaster117 16:44, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Collaboration

Hello, Ovaltine I am typing this message to propose a collaboritive effort between the two of us. I have been working in the Montana area and am close to wrapping up the Chevalles they probably will be within two days. When it is finished I will need to move on and I have decided to move down to the Gulf/Texas Commonwealth region where a whole lot of the action seems to be. The planned article is a group of privateers who help stop piracy against rafters and MTU members in the gulf and mississippi and take down boats and other sea targets if they are paid. I would like this organization to be based in New Orleans and have the Royuame involved in their leadership and funding. If you want to know more details before agreeing then tell me and I can provide them. Otherwise I look forward to hearing your response if you would be interested. Foxtrot12 20:08, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds intriguing. My counter-proposal is to make the pirates first. There's a bit about pirates in the Miami area (Orange Bowl), but there could be more. You'll have to get Seq on board to use the MTU as well.--OvaltinePatrol 01:28, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I want the Royaume to be directly involved in the founding, I mean this is a group of Privateers and the Royaume are a feudal monarchy, which means Letters of Marque for everyone! So we need pirates which would warrant the founding of a privateer group, I have four ideas.

  1. A group of cuban pirates sail up from Havana and wreak havoc in the gulf so privateers must be hired to destroy the raiding fleet.
  2. A large coalition of kaptains sail out from the Orange Bowl and wreak havoc in the gulf so privateers must hunt them down.
  3. We make another orange bowl like pirate hub in Mississippi, perhaps one where the river meets the gulf so they could really cripple the economy which warrants a privateer fleet to be commissioned to raze the town and their effectiveness leads the Royaume to keep them around.
  4. A well armed group of pirates who hid out in the bayous of Louisiania which I assume would be Acadania. Well armed enough to defend against swampers, and good at hiding. They strike rafters and such traders then retreat into the swamp where the Royaume can't spare men to go in after them and due to them hiding in the large lakes and rivers a group of privateers has to go in after them.

That's what I got for pirates so you want to go with one of these or do you have an idea? Foxtrot12 02:56, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm partial to the fourth idea.--OvaltinePatrol 04:36, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Different, Collaboration

Hi Ovaltine! I was wondering if you'd like to help with a smaller sub-faction that I plan to create, the Texas Rangers. Similar to the pre-war Texas Rangers, and the Desert Rangers, these guys are the Good Karma of the Texan Wasteland, and work to kill bandits, bad guys, and protect the good in the world. Sound good? If so, how could I incorporate it into Texas?

Regards, EliteMaster117 06:49, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


Keep the following in mind:

  • Where are they found? Texas is a big state. There's still plenty of uncovered ground; especially in southern Texas, if you want to help flesh out the state. Depending on where they are, they may be seen as champions, meddlers, or they may run the show; any of those would definitely influence the direction of the article.
  • What are their values? "Good Karma," is an indication that they would fight raiders and help innocent travelers; but do they have any other causes? Do they care about slavery, drug and alcohol use, mutation, etc.?
  • How successful and powerful are they? Avoid the temptation to make them the king-asskickers of the land. Once a certain apex is achieved, coverage and results are implied. Basically, if they're too good; Texas becomes peaceful and a peaceful wasteland is a boring wasteland.

Once you get started, maybe I'll have some more questions for you. Hopefully you'll find these questions helpful.--OvaltinePatrol 16:29, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I am aware, is such a thing banned here? If so please notify me so I may stop. I kind of just select images through what I see as fitting for the article. Also for the collaboration we discussed earlier I feel as though I have come to a point where it is time for mutual work.

If you remember, the point was to make a privateer group employed by the Royaume. The pirates they were made to kill always retreated into the bayou warranting a letter of marque to be given to those who will go in after them. I have gotten the pirates to the point where they start harrassing the Royaume and now need help on how the Royaume would initially respond and such. Foxtrot12 18:18, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

It's not explicitly banned, it's just strange. It would be preferable if you could make use of the unused images or upload a new, appropriate image. I'll think about the Royaume's response, do you want me to simply write it into the article when I have it?--OvaltinePatrol 18:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to make use of the unused but some of them just are not adaptable, I will however try in the future to use unused and upload new ones. For the collab, you could write it if you want. The early stages section ends with a new pirate, Kelly Carter taking command. She tries to make it her first order of business terrorizing the Royaume and destroying their economy. I am going to write in the start of her war but I need some information before doing so, would the Royaume accept an audience with a pirate who is coming to New Orleans to declare war on them if she came under the protection of a white flag? After her war starts which is her destroying any boat trying to trade with New Orleans you come in and may write their response or tell me it so I can. Foxtrot12 18:36, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

The Royaume wouldn't entertain the notion of letting a pirate come to court just to be informed of their intent to cause trouble. At best they'd park their white flag outside the walls of New Orleans and shout it up to James St. Just.--OvaltinePatrol 19:01, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I will work with that. I will write it up and leave a message indicating that you are clear to put in your response in the edit summary. Foxtrot12 19:07, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! I'll get to work on it. Also, fun fact: I live in Odessa, Texas. EliteMaster117 04:52, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

I lived there until 11/09; I still have a place on the east side of town near the country club and UTPB. Bulletproof8 and his family are using it while they clear out their place to sell.--OvaltinePatrol 05:19, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Then I most likely drive by your house every day if you live in the Country Club.. EliteMaster117 05:46, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Really now

Did people back then actually believe Ovaltine helped them get to sleep? ЙураYuriKaslov - Sig image 19:24, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ovaltine does whatever the OvaltinePatrol says it does comrade. WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. OVALTINE IS DELICIOUS.--OvaltinePatrol 21:41, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
Since everything you listed are opposites, then in reality you just said that Ovaltine is disgusting. lol ЙураYuriKaslov - Sig image 23:45, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
You're not a reader of classic dystopian fiction I take it.--OvaltinePatrol 01:14, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
I've read 1984 and A Brave New World. Some of the only truly classic novels set in a dystopian society. And since I know I've never seen anything similar to that in BNW, it must be from 1984 -- last time I read it was nearly a decade ago in freshman year, highschool. ЙураYuriKaslov - Sig image 03:52, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Removed Block

Who remove the IP block? Vivaporius 04:28, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I removed your block. Consider it probationary.--OvaltinePatrol 05:18, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks alot Ovaltine. I though you were going to reply on my talk page so I didn't know you answered. Anyway, thanks a bunch. Vivaporius 23:56, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I dislike conversations being spread across multiple talk pages.--OvaltinePatrol 04:16, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well then. Nice to know now. Vivaporius 15:22, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

So Sorry

Ovaltine, I'm so sorry about the category thing! On every wiki that I'm commonly on users have their own categories, so it's a force of habit! I'm terribly sorry.

Regards, EliteMaster117 23:37, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the origins of that rule, it predates my administration.--OvaltinePatrol 00:41, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
Really? I didn't even quite understand why it was in place, but hey, rules are rules. EliteMaster117 04:31, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Morgan Family

Ovaltine, I've been working on a possible article, but before I add it to the wiki, I'd like to know if you could check it out and see if it's canon, since I really don't see another IP block, or be called a troll again. It's the Morgan Family part on my talk page. Vivaporius 03:35, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'll check it, but don't waste my time being coy. If I point out an issue, don't make a nonchange and consider it fixed.
  • Please educate me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think there's not a lot of history of American PMCs prior to the post-WW2 era.
    • On a related note, the divergence takes place at the end of or after WW2, let's not have sweeping historical changes taking place prior to then. Having their revered ancestor be a veteran of WW1 is fine, making him intimately involved with and important to the various colonial struggles...not so much.
  • They're basically caught between the main powers from Fallout: Vegas and the 80s from J.E. Sawyer's Fallout pen and paper game (which were mentioned in Honest Hearts). Canon areas thick with canon factions are not good places to put expansive fanon factions.
    • And expansive, militant factions and nations are against the rules anyways.
  • Seems like they're going to be another one of your super powerful, monolithic forces. Boring! The Cazadoras on the other hand are way more interesting. I suggest dropping the Morgan Family entirely and editing them out of the Cazadoras and expanding that (without turning them into a super powerful, monolithic force).

Haha, coy. The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.

Anyway, I had no intentions of making another monolithic force you and yours whine about, or making them an expansve militant faction just for the sake of doing so, which is why I sought out your help. Just a group of isolated traders using a local tribe as meat shields, and establishing trade outposts throughout Nevada's desolate areas. As fo the divergence, I didn't intend on such swepting historical changes, and will fix them, much more of small-scale stuff, sorry if I confused you. As for the Cazadoras, I have many, many plans for them, I just don't no where to start. For now, I'll be relagating the Morgans to a secondary status, but not removed from my ideas.


On another note, I'd like it if you could remove the two factions I made from the Misc. Factions page. If you have anything esle you like to expand on the Cazadoras, please feel free to tell me. Vivaporius 16:29, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I can do that. If our "whining" and "rules" bother you, why not post your unadulterated ideas here?--OvaltinePatrol 17:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Forget that previous statement, I was a bit offended by the coy statement. I'm not sure of that site, but will check it out one day. Sorry for the rudeness. And I don't recall mentioning any being bothered by any rules in my post. It's your additude. Before the block you were willing to help me fix my article, but now your complining about me wastng your time being "coy". I didn't relize trying to conform to your rules was a waste of time. Vivaporius 18:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I'm going to do. Since I still have a 40k mentality, I need to rest my brain for a little, and think of some geniune ideas for Fallout, without the uber powerful groups I though of for 40k. The Cazadora and Pirata tribals are my cream and sugar right now, and will obviously be expanded upon. I don't get into any more trouble than I already have, and need some thinking time. I do still want to here any ideas you may have for the two tribes though. Vivaporius 19:46, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

My coy comment refers to previous attempts to help you where I would directly tell you what the problem was and then you would take a haggling approach. I asked you if were you were being coy and you more or less agreed to that description of your behavior. I'll get back to you on those tribal ideas later.--OvaltinePatrol 21:21, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry for my earlier reactions then. Vivaporius 23:30, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Horses of the Post Apocalypse

I would permission to create horses in europe would that be possible.They would be simaler to dogs in thier reaction to radiation as some species would be unaltered while others would become wild and get 'advanced mange'.Faboo 19:39, August 10, 2011 (UTC)Faboo

My instinct is to say no. If you can convince C4, then by all means.--OvaltinePatrol 20:51, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Since C4 hasn't responded...

User talk:Composite 4#Friendly offer ЙураYuriKaslov - Sig image 01:32, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds interesting; what did you have in mind?--OvaltinePatrol 06:50, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
Something that isn't a generic slate-gray theme? Tell me what images you want and where on the screen you want them. There's also a handy little "transparency" bar in the theme designer, too, so if you want to you could have images all across the screen instead of just on the sides. ЙураYuriKaslov - Sig image 14:59, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
I'm currently on the road, so I won't be available for speedy responses. Maybe something using one of the loading screens from Fallout 1 or 2 would be cool. I would need an example of what you're talking about to make an informed choice.--OvaltinePatrol 06:19, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about the late response, but could you give me a link to any images you might want as the background? Because it has to fit the BG (ie, it must be 1800 x 600 px) wide, unless you want multiple images (which must all be either croppable or scalable to fit the constraints) ЙураYuriKaslov - Sig image 01:07, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm having some issues adding an article. Every time add the Morgan Family article, it goes through, but the article itself isn't there. When I click "Pulbish", it'll say "Create the article", and when I click create, the article is there, but not on the site itself. I don't know how to better explain the situtation, sorry. Vivaporius 19:53, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Enclave in Florida?

Hello, I have a question. Judging by the presence in "Broken Steel" the Enclave mobile platform, - build on the NASA's crawler basis - Canaveral spaceport (or whatever it's called in the world of Fallout) under the control of the enclave? Ie I can assume the Enclave presence in Florida?

P.S. By the way, I am very interested in how managed to drag this monster from Florida to Washington. Apparently, transported by sea? The Forgotten Dragon 08:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

NASA didn't exist in the Fallout universe; it's function was filled by the USSA. My position is that in general, canon factions exist only where they are mentioned in canon.--OvaltinePatrol 09:17, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
I know that there is not NASA. I was referring to the type of machine - "NASA crawler."
Well, then how Enclave brought crawler in the Capital Wasteland? Himself, perhaps, wandered there, walking on postwar America? Looks like something strange. The Forgotten Dragon 09:33, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
I know what you're talking about. I'm trying to illustrate that your assumptions as to the origin of the crawler or where the USSA would have its facilities are just that; assumptions. The crawler might have always been in the Capital Wasteland.--OvaltinePatrol 09:39, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
Given that the area of Washington very poorly suited to a spaceport ...? However, we can assume that this is not the crawler, but, for example, the heavy excavator, made ​​on his basis , who has worked in the quarry near Washington. Ok, no Enclave presence in Carribean! The Forgotten Dragon 10:33, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay

How does the page look this time? Is it passable? Will C4 leave me be, and accept the page now? Vivaporius 17:09, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I had an Idea

Ovaltine, if you'd allow me to get this by, I had an idea for a nation. Now, the NCR grew because the Vault Dweller and his/her/it's child also helped in when it needed help. Caesar's Legion was created by some random guy wandering into Arizona, and had a good understanding of war. Why then would it be impossible for a nation to grow like either of these, or why wouldn't they be allowed to have some power or a large piece of land. In the wasteland, plenty of people would try to rebuild society much like the NCR and the Legion, and over 200 years, quite a few would have suceeded. What I'm trying to say is, I would like a chance to create a large nation, though not state-sized. My plan was to create a republic, federation, or cofederacy, based in western Washington State and possibly reaching up into southern British Columbia. It was created by bands of survivors that didn't have any reason to kill each other, and wanted to go for a peaceful expansive society. It's a chance to prove that not all of the people who survived decided to create a Republic of Joe or that nonsense. It'd be an extensive project of course, and I was hoping to get your help on the issue if it were allowed. My goal is to create a sucessful nation, that has the power to hold it's own, expand, prosper, and bring some weight to the table if it got into a scruff with the NCR. And no worries about problems, I've been studing the process of state creation, sustainability, government, and farming (in my down time, I do have a life), so I will try to make this article as practical as humanly possible. I want the article to prove that there still some good writers here. And of course, I will be using the old Entiako flag. Vivaporius 22:01, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

The point of keeping things small in terms of scale and scope is that there is a finite amount of territory available. I'd would potentially be cool with a small city-state, but I'm going to say no to this while I'm discussing rules changes.--OvaltinePatrol 04:00, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm cool with that. Vivaporius 13:08, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Large militarized factions

I'll ask you to give a precise definition of "large militarized factions" to avoid confusion.The Forgotten Dragon 14:12, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Super-soldiers, super weapons, heavy ordinance (artillery, cannons, etc.), and combat vehicles are not allowed. Energy weapons, power armor, cybernetics, and other "high end" equipment is to be avoided or used sparingly; especially in instances where there is no reasonable, canonical basis for it (i.e. the Chinese had Stealth Suits, the Americans had Power Armor, they and the Germans had Gauss weaponry, but don't assume that technology was to be found all over the place). Armies larger than a few hundred are frowned upon and must have some reasonable basis of sustaining themselves. Don't claim large swathes of territory as belonging to your group.--OvaltinePatrol 14:50, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
Steam gunboats in this category, I hope, was not included? "The Duchess Gambit", which was build by generally nearly a dozen people and sustained by only Tobar is canonical!The Forgotten Dragon 15:25, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
If by "gunboat," you mean pintle mounted machine guns and not cannons or death rays; then yes, a steam powered gunboat on the scale of The Duchess Gambit would be fine.--OvaltinePatrol 15:28, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
A colleague, do you seriously think that's so hard to make a cannon? I would advise you to read that, (unfortunately, did not find the English version):
http://crusoe.livejournal.com/93756.html
Detailed History of "Long Cecil" cannon, made ​​in 1900 by the garrison of the besieged city of Kimberley. All that is needed - a lathe, and big metal bar.
Primitive cannon, in fact, a simpler structure than many believe. Produce a weapon capable of firing at 3000-5000 meters (albeit slowly and inaccurately) quite easily.
Another issue - why do it? Such artillery in the world of Fallout little use - for field battles it has too low rate and too large. Yes, and shoots it is not so accurately and far.
But cannons for the navy - is another matter.The Forgotten Dragon 15:48, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

The issue isn't the difficulty (or lack thereof) in the creation of these things. The issues is that we don't really want armies on the site. There are other Fallout Fanon wikis, if you must create armies; write there.--OvaltinePatrol 15:54, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

As I understand it, I was politely asked to leave and not disturb ... something?

The Forgotten Dragon 16:34, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

No. It's just that this wiki has had some bad experiences with fanon armies in the past, and we know that armies, most of the time, are poorly-written excuses for massive battles, near-invincible super-soldiers with Power Armor and plasma weaponry, tanks, airplanes and hidden bunkers that dwarf the Cheyenne Mountain complex in both size and equipment.--Seqeu0 17:47, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

And the few good ones? Vivaporius 18:09, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

So i didn't create anything like that ... The army all together - less than 1000, the energy weapon - except that single samples. Even the armored car I refused.The Forgotten Dragon 18:37, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I agree. Ships is no more than 250 tons displacement. I hope against smaller cannons (caliber 45 mm or less) there is no objection? These cannons, in general, differ little from the grenade firepower - except that more long-range.The Forgotten Dragon 15:45, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Pacifica

Ovaltine, I would like permission to work on a nation called Pacifica, based out of the Willamette Valley. It is linked to the Morgans, Cazadoras, and Pirata, in a cooperative effort to rebuild a new order (more Nazi-like with Communist undertones). It's part of my project I mentioned earlier. It would include any rule changes added to wiki. It streches from Portland in the north to Eugene in the south, and from Dallas, Oregon in the west to Lyons to the east. I'd be glad to give more information on it if you give me the green light. Vivaporius 18:19, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nazi-like with Communist understones... so like the Imperium of Man? That's not really important though; what strikes me as important is that your main defense of your various factions that I already think dance a jig on the spirit of the rules was that they're all separated; now you just want them to be a united force? Was this just an extended play to slip in more stuff I don't want? Unrelated to my concerns, your choice of location makes me wonder if you've been reading S. M. Stirling's stuff.--OvaltinePatrol 01:54, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

War o' Great Annexing

Hey there, I'm relatively new to Fallout (Only played Fallout 3 & New Vegas) but I was wondering how my posters were coming. Also, I was curious if my first group; The North American Energy Commission could be on the Enclave side. Please post back. Also, curious of the idea of having "The Great Annexing War" happen in North Dakota which was a short war before the US Annexed Canada.UndeadHero 21:57, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

The Enclave doesn't really have allies; though they do use people (such as the Salvatores in Fallout 2); and our rules forbid making splinter or sub-groups of the Enclave. As far as I'm concerned the Enclave is a dead horse. If you MUST beat on it; I suggest using them extremely sparingly and playing the Energy Commission for saps or dupes. If the Commission doesn't even know who they're really dealing with, all the better. I would strongly advise you not to write about a large armed-conflict taking place between the US and Canada, especially not one with that name.--OvaltinePatrol 01:54, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
I think he's talking about the pre-war conflict with Canada, though I could be mistaken. ~LD~ 02:08, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
That was my understanding. I think such a conflict violates canon.--OvaltinePatrol 02:09, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, no war.

UndeadHero 02:34, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sensitive Stuff

Hey Ovaltine, what are the rules on nudity? I'm asking for reasons that may be made clear (slaves, deviants, and all), and would like to know before I start working on something...sensitive. <.< Vivaporius 02:41, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

No problem writing about that stuff. I would say no pictures, just because this is a mixed-age crowd.--OvaltinePatrol 02:44, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, kinda though so. Thanks for the info. Vivaporius 02:48, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Above Ground Vault

I also am wondering about. I am thinking of creating a above ground "Vault" if you want to call it that. It's really just a Mansion that was made Bomb Proof, then he made a bunch of surrounding ouses bomb proof to create a small area called "The Homes of the Future". The original name was John K. Holmes Homes of the Future.

Also, I would like to ask about installing a chat, I know that you guys have probably been asked this hundreds of times but it woould be really appreciated if one would be enabled.

UndeadHero 02:34, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I hope you don't mean literally bomb proof as in, bombs could be dropped on or nearby with no effect.--OvaltinePatrol 23:31, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
No, I mean because of location, whats it's made out of, and of course just strength of the building. But if a bomb was dropped on this thing or nearby, the main complex (The mansion) would be history.

UndeadHero 04:50, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

JSYK

You never did answer me. My offer's still on the table. ЙураYuriKaslov - Sig image 02:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I had no images in mind.--OvaltinePatrol 02:52, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

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